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Poster: prilana Date: Aug 25, 2010 3:39am
Forum: texts Subject: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

Browsed the text archive for a book and found out, that the Ebook and Texts Archive > Community Texts is abused to spread antisemitism, nacism, glorification of nacism, racism, militarism, chemical warfare and anything else from this swampy scene.
It looks like it is used as a publishing channel for all that german neo-nacism publications that are forbidden in Germany.
Who is the right contact to remove this stuff? It's historical value tends below zero, so please don't talk about censorship...

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Poster: Comrade G Date: Sep 7, 2010 10:28pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive... antisemitism EXPOSE IT!

I understand... it's repugnant and mindless; it's simple-minded fecal pap for witless followers who lack the capacity to think for themselves. But given our model of non-democratic capitalism, we must wallow in our "marketplace of ideas," where one must hold their nose and tread lightly around the piles of political-corporate waste of the North American Corporate Empire (formerly the U.S.A.).

This stuff stinks but I want it out here where we can see it. Does it make you uncomfortable? Good. Count yourself among the sentient. If we drive this crap underground we cannot effectively monitor the warped fascist-nationalist movements and the deadly toxins of monotheism: Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

We can ignore them and drive them underground... to our peril. For the historical record is an accounting, a catalog bearing witness to the horror visited upon us by religious fundamentalists, nationalists, and our corporatist ruling class.

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 25, 2010 9:40pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

Prilana,

Whether you like it or not this stuff does have historical value, just as all propaganda tracts do. To understand what it is that you criticize, one must study the relevant texts. No one is forcing you or anyone to read it, it is there for academic purposes regardless of what you may ascribe to be the motives of those who posted it.

Gerry

This post was modified by garthus on 2010-08-26 04:40:17

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Poster: prilana Date: Aug 28, 2010 3:32am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

Gerry,

I agree that you can't criticize what you don't know. But that's not the question here.

What I am talking about is, that the German community upload section is mainly abused from a handful of most likely neo-nazis to post their propaganda. Let's get some statistics. When you count the German community uploads you'll find :

1447 publications
924 of them are in antisemitic context
885 of them are in racist context
112 of them are in aryan context

So first let's record:
70% of all german uploads here are nazi propaganda

Second:
The posted subtitles/descriptions are in form of
"Speech of the 'Fuhrer'" instead "Speech of Adolf Hitler"
"The Hitler Youth - The Experience of a Great Comradeship"

Third:
The posted comments are in form of:
"Here we have real truth about the human Adolf Hitler instead the lies of the last 60 years"
"good speech" (subject here is a speech of Hitler)

So let me summarize, that we don't find too much historians in this category, we don't find too much scientists here (perhaps in rune occultism?) and we don't find a balance of uploaded publications here.

It's nice from these people to upload a lot of stuff we might study, but perhaps archive.org should create another section covering a library of nacism.

Imagine a historical library of a university. You walk through the shelves and most of the literature you find is nazi propaganda. I'm sure you'll feeling strange then, don't you?

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Aug 28, 2010 8:19am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

>1447 publications
>924 of them are in antisemitic context

Is that true? I don't read German, but I just browsed through the German Community Text's archive, and while I saw a couple Nazi/Hitler/Zion etc.., I saw many more that were about music, Freud etc... Am I looking in the right place? How did you arrive at 924 antisemitic?

No doubt you are right, the archive is being abused by hate groups to spread their garbage (not just Nazis). I just wonder what IA can do about it since they are not in the business of censorship, and now widespread it is.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 28, 2010 8:46am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

IA will hopefully do nothing about regulating any speech . As long as no CR laws are broken , this is not a physical space where yelling Fire in the movie house is unlawful speech .
This place is a wonder .
If one prefers bubble wrapped speech , it's easy to find .
If one finds certain speech here abhorrent , then get working and expose it .
This is a library . What is left here will be recorded for the future to judge . If your POV is not there , what will be left ?

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Poster: garthus Date: Aug 28, 2010 11:58am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

Micah,
Yes, you are 100% correct. The archive's content will be there for anyone to review and personally judge, but not ... to censor. Once censorship begins, where does it stop?

Gerry

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 28, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

Looking at the whole of history , usually censorship stops with those who have the most weapons . Free speech is a rare commodity . Most people who have ever lived never had such rights respected . Freedom of speech is a gift to be treasured . I am grateful to those that help us defend this right .

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 28, 2010 6:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

prilana , Have you spent any time looking into some of the Islamic texts here ? To be fair , as well in your example , not all texts are propaganda . However , many are . Regardless of their odiousness , there is near to complete freedom of free speech here on IA . Thankfully , this is not a place where the term hate speech exists . This is disturbing at times . If you do not like some ( many ) German texts here , start writing reviews denouncing them . Sunlight is the best disinfectant . You seem to have spent some time breaking down what is in the German section . Maybe spend some time taking a hatchet to the propaganda there . If you begin writing reviews , they will be put on the home page for all to see and consider .
youtube censored this piece yesterday ( it has nothing to do with Nazism ) , but this piece of art has a home here . Thank God . This video contains historical images and music . Would you censor this ?
http://www.archive.org/details/PcFreeVideo .
There are several videos bundled together in this piece . 911 , the first one to come up ( 4 minutes long ) , is the piece in question . I haven't had time to get to the rest of the videos , though I have reviewed many of this artist's work .

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-08-28 13:12:19

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Poster: prilana Date: Aug 29, 2010 1:58am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

To be clear, I'm not talking about censorship. I'm talking about a possible form of response.

When you maintain an open library, you nevertheless are responsible for the content.
You (the maintainer) provide the content to your visitors, not the uploaders.
If there is a section in your library being abused as a hub to publish propaganda, you first have to notice this.
Second you have to decide what to do: Represent the freedom of speech, start censoring or keep this stuff but admit, that there's a problem and mark it.

In case of archive.org, I would suggest to clean the german community from this obvious nazistic publications.
Create a special place, where these texts are stored. Give it an evident name "Nazi propaganda" or in a wider term for similar content "Propaganda", "Racistic propaganda", "Pamphlets of hate and racism" or something else.

In case you won't censor it, you have to mark it with your opinion to dissociating from it.

One of the posters here states, that I have to accept things I "don't like". This it is not a matter of what I like or not.

Being free and open doesn't mean to treat every smut as normal. That's what we need here.
It isn't an everyday thought, that arians need to kill millions of people to save the world.

The discussion about censorship is as old as the history of books. When you look in the terms of archive.org, they claim to not accept any content showing child abuse. You really won't call this censorship.

The maintainers of archive.org are responsible for the content they host and the way they host it.
If they are in knowledge of an abusive use of a community (and I sent them a notice, but I didn't receive an answer) and they don't react, I can only treat it as a statement.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 29, 2010 8:03pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

prilana , with respect , I could not disagree more with your opinion . Any step you take in flagging or cordoning off speech is already censorship . To be clear , I am speaking of any censorship here at IA .
Breaking existing law is simply that , be it copyright law or child abuse . Breaking the law is not acceptable here , and it is clearly stated .
The content is responsible to the content alone . No one else . All lawful speech can be archived here .
prilana , use your keyboard as a scythe and go to work in the German section . We all have are little side projects . :)

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Poster: hingerty Date: Sep 3, 2010 3:01am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

This kills me. You seem to be a Germanophobe. As well as someone who brays about free speech yet would deny it to those who dont agree with his sainted vision of political correctness. I beleive NAzi Germany had the same thing, as well as Stalins Russia. Is that what we want? Free internet. You dont have to look at it. If your eye offends you..my brother..pluck out. I for one would prefer to hear what both sides say. ON ANY SUBJECT.

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Poster: Falcao Date: Aug 28, 2010 1:48pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Text archive abused to spread antisemitism and NS glorification

> Who is the right contact to remove this stuff?

You should read first "Fahrenheit 451" and then come again requesting removal of books.